The Ginault Ocean Rover is a Rolex Submariner homage watch. How you define an “homage watch” is up to you, but this one has caused quite a stir because of the origins of the brand and the watches themselves. The controversy felt like one of top events of 2019 within the watch community. Some say the brand is supposedly financed by years of profiting from the replica watch industry, while others are extremely pleased to find such a close copy of the Submariner at a fraction of the price.
One thing for sure, it’s really hard to talk about the Ocean Rover without mentioning Rolex. The Submariner is one of the most recognizable watches in the world, and it is also one of the most knocked-off. Exactly which Sub the Ocean Rover borrows DNA from depends on which part of the watch you’re looking at. The aluminum bezel insert and slim case are almost exact clones of the older reference 16610, while the larger hour markers, bracelet and clasp feel more like the newer reference 116610 (the one with a ceramic bezel, beefier case, and maxi-dial).
Of course, there are a lot of reasons why watches like the one Ginault made should never be compared to a real Sub, but from a distance, especially to those uninitiated into the world of Rolex watches, they made a strong contender worth a closer look. So, let’s get to it…
The watch in this review is model 181875GSLID. The “LID” On the end of the reference number indicates that is has a blue and gold bezel. It is uni-directional rotating with 120 super smooth clicks. Other than the color, the font and lume pip are almost identical to a Submariner. If you prefer a black bezel, the reference number is 181875GSLN.
There are a few different Ocean Rover models, but this piece features Ginault’s Gold Sand lume. This lume has caught some flak due to the verbiage that they use on their site to describe it:
“We have heard of the legend of a luminescent material that is not a product from the Swiss RC Tritec, the lume company, and is so expensive only the top antique clock and pocket watch restorers could afford and would be interested in using on their masterpieces. We travelled far to acquire this unique luminescent material.” –source
It is definitely similar in color to Super-LumiNova “Old Radium” lume, but as you can see from the macro shot above, it has a sand-like texture to it. Also from brand’s description:
“Ginault Gold Sand performance is comparable to pure Superluminova C3 in terms of burst and longevity. After a full charge, the initial high lume will fade gradually in 15 or so minutes. The low lume will remain visible in a pitch black room for 12 plus hours.”
On a Submariner, the line below the coronet logo and ROLEX text reads Oyster Perpetual Date. The Ocean Rover features a flower instead of a crown, GINAULT instead of Rolex, and the line Kinetic Continuous Date.
Moving below the handstack is a few more lines of text. What this has in common with a real Submariner is the depth rating of 1,000ft/300m and the word Chronometer.
To back up the use of the word Chronometer on the dial, each individual Ocean Rover watch includes a certificate to show the results of accuracy tests carried out over the span of 6 weeks.
This is not to be confused with a COSC certificate, since COSC is an independent laboratory which only tests Swiss made movements. The results, however, do appear to fall in line with the requirements of a COSC certified chronometer being able retain accuracy within the range of -4 to +6 seconds per day for the first 10 days of testing.
Aside from the controversy surrounding the origin of the brand, something else that created drama was the origin of the watch itself. In 2019, Hand Built In America is not something that is taken lightly, but there it is written across the bottom of the dial. A few years ago, brands could get away with it, and some made millions from the smoke and mirrors of the watch industry until policymakers started to define what is and isn’t considered made in USA.
Can a $1,500 watch be 100% hand built in America with 100% American made components? If so, then why not make a unique watch? More and more people have become interested in not only buying watches and USA-made goods in general, but also in crowdfunding micro watch brands. As a result, information is more readily available about legitimate difficulties of manufacturing watch parts in USA. For that reason, what used to work extremely well as a marketing gimmick to lead collectors into thinking they were buying American-made timepieces, has become a trigger for skepticism as well as a reason to research and expose the truth about where watches are really being made.
To get to the engine that powers the Ocean Rover, you’ll need a specific caseback tool. Notice the shark tooth grooves. The design is so similar to the Rolex Submariner that we were actually able to use our Rolex opener with ease. The Ginault has text engraved on the back, whereas a genuine Sub does not – other than that, it’s very similar.
The inside of the watch is where mirroring the Submariner stops. Instead of a clone of the Rolex caliber 3135, you will find an automatic movement that Ginault calls the caliber 7275. It is based on the widely used ETA 2824-2, but instead of being Swiss made, it is said to be “cut, machined, assembled and fine tuned in USA.” As with the Hand Built In America line on the dial, this claim has met understandable resistance from members in the watch community.
Read all about Ginault caliber 7275: Rather than digging into it again, here is an extensive review of this movement that I posted on Caliber Corner, along with a high quality video at the bottom of the page there.
As with the 2824-2, the movement in the Ocean Rover hacks (seconds hand stops when the crown is pulled out two clicks in time setting mode) and is hand-windable via the gasket-packed screw-down crown.
If the crown had a coronet logo rather than a flower, newbies could easily mistake it for the Rolex Trip-Lock system. Even the diameter and distance from the crown guard is similar.
It wouldn’t be a Submariner homage without a cyclops date magnifier on the sapphire crystal and an Oyster style band.
The bracelet has solid endlinks and a heavy clasp. You’ll either be in awe of it or disgusted by its similarity to the Submariner.
If you want to swap straps, look for something with a 20mm lug-width, just like a [please insert model name of the most copied dive watch in the world here].
Love it or hate it, the clasp has a satisfying snap when closing it, and an easy-to-use wet suit extension for adjusting the size without removing links.
If you do need to remove links, they are screw-type and the correct size screwdriver is included in the box along with a branded polishing cloth.
On the wrist, the watch wears like a sport model Rolex, but with a more affordable $1,499 USD price tag. Just like a Submariner, it is suitable for a dress shirt at the office, a casual weekend in jeans and a t-shirt.
The 13mm thickness plays nice with most shirt cuffs. Weighing in at 148 grams/5.2 ounces, you could wear it all day without feeling the need to take it off.
Is the Ginault Ocean Rover a replica Rolex? No. A replica Rolex would be a watch that says Rolex on the dial or contains Rolex markings without having been made by Rolex. Is the Ginault Ocean Rover a knockoff? Yes, according to Wikipedia:
“The colloquial term knockoff is often used interchangeably with counterfeit, although their legal meanings are not identical. Knockoff products are those that copy or imitate the physical appearance of other products but which do not copy the brand name or logo of a trademark.”
The watch industry softens the blow of the term “knockoff” by calling a copycat watch an homage piece. At the core, an homage is basically a copy with a different brand name. Is it wrong? Homages mostly exist when design patents have expired, therefore they are technically not breaking any rules.
Whichever side of this debate you stand on, what it really boils down to is whether you’re a fan of homage watches or not. If you are cool with the concept of a timepiece being designed and marketed after an icon, then the Ocean Rover will be on your radar. Check out Ginault’s site here or buy it in the KTT watch shop. If you can’t stomach the idea of watches being carbon copies of each other, then this – along with most of the watches on the market – isn’t going to be your cup of tea.
What say you, Watchfam? Would you sport the Ginault Ocean Rover without hesitation, or would you smash it with the watchmaker’s hammer? Leave your reply in the comments below…
I like it except for the hands
I like them. The hands are the only thing different than a Submariner or any other Submariner lookalike.
Actually, the hands are similar to the sword hands on the Rolex military issue watches from the late ’50s, I believe. But, yeah, I like them as well, for that reason.
Why are people so mad at this watch?
noob v7
More like v3.
Isn’t v7 the maxi case ceramic bezel?
Looks dandy to me.
I have two Ginault ocean rover watches and i love them they are the nices watches i have ever owned well worth the money.
I don’t get it if you’re happy with the watch you’re happy with the watch if you don’t want to buy it don’t buy it.
Hmmm…. As an owner of this watch, I can randomly select my real Rolex or this watch with my eyes closed and have no idea which one I’m holding. Not true for any other “homage” I’ve seen or owned. And, it’s 1/6th the cost of a 10 year old 16610, which has become almost unobtainable because of Rolex speculators. And it doesn’t use any trademarked identifiers or fool people into thinking it’s a Rolex. Anyone… Read more »
How does the lume compare with the Rolex at 4AM? Lume is my problem. I have a Yachtmaster that I never wear, because I wear my Titanium Luminox instead.
PERFECT synopsis of the watch; I had also thought that looked like the best homage Rolex I had ever seen, and you have the authority to provide the first-hand proof. Thanks a lot for the contribution; I think you just convinced me to get one sometime.
Like the watch but customer service is lacking. New ceramic bezel peeling and no response from ginault.
How does ceramic peel??
Then is not ceramic. 😳
Yes. Quality and value.
Excellent watch.
Technology available to more watchmakers has leveled the playfield quite a bit in the last ten years. The Ginault is a tremendous value for the person who wants a rugged watch with indepth quality
It is worth admitting, that this very watch is not a copy of any certain Rolex model. In a case of any doubts, it is enough to look at its hands. This is old “militaire” style, which was used by Rolex in 60., when they were suppliers of British armed forces (as well as Omega etc.). No any contemporary Rolex has such handset. Case is taken from 16xx, dial is only ROlex-like etc. So, I… Read more »
im no expert on watches but i do have a few and some are rolex. but im enjoying my ginault. however much it is a or isnt us made im enjoying it. great watch.
With the blue bezel and the sword hands, no watch fan will think it is a Rolex Submariner. The rest of the world won’t even know enough – or care enough – to wonder.
I’m still not sure about the watch but this is one of the best review and best watch pics that I’ve ever seen. Great work!
Thank you for the kind words! Please check out some of the other reviews and videos on the site 🙂
I love it and have placed my order for it, I can’t wait to get it. Rolex want me to sign up and they will call me when they decide I can have one, but I can get a pre owned I only buy new besides I like Ginault story………
I’ve been collecting watches since I bought a 5513 in 1968. I actually bought a GINAULT OCEAN ROVER N/D , black even though I have several Rolex Submariner’s in my collection. I had to see what all the woop-dee-do was about . I’ve found it to be a very well built, time accurate , beautifully crafted time peice. That being said , is it designed after a Submariner ? Of course it is . It’s… Read more »
The watch looks really good. The movement looks a bit crude compared to a Rolex, and for that reason I think the watch is a bit over priced. The movement looks like a Chinese Rolex copy.
Not a Rolex copy but a Swiss ETA copy 😉
I like it except for the price and the miss leading statements on their website. Probably a bunch of of enterprising watch enthusiasts trying to make a mint by deceiving the uninitiated crowd looking for a cheap Rolex that enable them to say is not Chinese. Perfect for biassed people, plenty of them in the US.
If Ginault can make a watch so close to the Rolex sub for 1/6 the price, it shows what a rip off Rolexes are. Rolex also plays games if ‘Unavailability’ to keep their prices at rip off levels. I have three vintage Rolexes, two subs one Daytona, but will never buy another Rolex again, as I do not care to kiss any Rolex AD’s butt, and also be ripped off for price. I just ordered… Read more »
It sounds interesting. I may get one just to see